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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:15 pm Reply with quote
Jon
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KennyHabeeb wrote:
Jon wrote:
"WHERE'S THE NOT STAR BOOK?"

Prices realized and in my head and others like Geno, Steve, Neil, etc.


I'm working on my mind-reading skill, Jon, but haven't quite mastered it yet. In the meantime, I might have to ask a question like that every now and then. I'll try to remember to leave the hot-button stars out of the question. Old habits die hard.


You are obviously confused: demand, condition and rarity create market prices. To know or understand all of these factors, one has to be "in" all the time for current markets, have had to be around for a long time to know condition/originality and learn rarity.

(What is a "Chronometros?")

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:15 pm Reply with quote
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Chronometro Victoria and Chronometro Supremo

There are obviously way too many Waltham models and grades for anyone to keep track of - unless maybe you are a specialist in all things Waltham.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:18 pm Reply with quote
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Neilywatch wrote:
KennyHabeeb wrote:
Are the fat book numbers for the two Chronometros completely out of whack?
I've never understood how any three-star Waltham in fine condition could be valued at just $700.

K.


Star rating or not it is simply a model 83 PL - as much as I like them - they have a limited following among PW collectors hence the low pricing. Lately they have not sold for even that much!

There are couple of other 83's that would bring high dollars if they ever surface...


One 149er owns what is the most phenomenal '83 I've ever seen, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's among the best(if not the best) in existence.

He told me what he paid and I'm not surprised(I'd have paid it given the opportunity and assuming I had the money), but honestly I don't even know how you set a price for that sort of watch.

As for under-rated stuff, I still think '83s as a whole and Crescent Sts in particular are. At the same time, I'm not complaining. I haven't counted mine recently Smile

And, Neil, I think that if an OF LS CS ever comes up for sale, it's definitely going to be you and I fighting it out(and probably some others) Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:55 pm Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:
2 hats but to what degree?
24/7 it doesn't stop and won't till I'm dead. Geno
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:49 pm Reply with quote
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Just one hat here: 24/7 for decades.

After over 60 yrs here, why would I stop now?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:58 pm Reply with quote
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KennyHabeeb wrote:
Chronometro Victoria and Chronometro Supremo

There are obviously way too many Waltham models and grades for anyone to keep track of - unless maybe you are a specialist in all things Waltham.

Smile


Look at my web site for the finest known GEM of the First Water '92 CS in its original box!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:31 am Reply with quote
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geno wrote:
Jon wrote:
2 hats but to what degree?
24/7 it doesn't stop and won't till I'm dead. Geno


I may think about watches 24/7 but it has never been my business/income 24/7. I have not always had a "Job" in my life. I have owned my own graphics business and have been a photographer when I was not working for the man. My agreement...between me and my family has always been that Job money/family money will never be used as watch money. The watch biz has to generate its own income and sustain itself.

Basically, for me, watches have to be profitable or there is no watch collection/business. If I want to own watches I have to generate the money to buy them by buying/selling watches.

I think the collector dealer thing works pretty well if perhaps not perfectly together. I guess the proof is that I have a few decent watches in the bank.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:25 am Reply with quote
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yikes Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:42 am Reply with quote
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Ben_hutcherson wrote:


One 149er owns what is the most phenomenal '83 I've ever seen, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's among the best(if not the best) in existence.

He told me what he paid and I'm not surprised(I'd have paid it given the opportunity and assuming I had the money), but honestly I don't even know how you set a price for that sort of watch.

As for under-rated stuff, I still think '83s as a whole and Crescent Sts in particular are. At the same time, I'm not complaining. I haven't counted mine recently Smile

And, Neil, I think that if an OF LS CS ever comes up for sale, it's definitely going to be you and I fighting it out(and probably some others) Smile


Ben - I am throwing a guess here - would that be the Electric Railway? IT is the only one in existence!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:25 pm Reply with quote
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Scarce varieties and grade of the Nw York watch Company, Springfield, Ma are also often available at very reasonable prices, depending on originality, case and condition

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