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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:47 pm Reply with quote
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I recently had a watch overhauled by Vitaliy Vysotsky, an Ebay repairman in San Francisco with 100% positive feedback. Vitaliy overhauled a quality automatic Longines movement I sent him and he sent me photos of the finished product, which looked great reassembled in the case. Then the fun began. Vitaliy sent the watch back by USPS with no extra insurance. The watch supposedly was stuck in the sending post office for a week or more when Vitaliy, under pressure from me to produce, said he had the post office return the package to him. Lo and behold, he claims the returned package contained pills, and not my watch. Following up, USPS shows the real package sent to a residential address in Florida (I'm in Virginia). The package was signed for (we have a copy of the signed receipt). Supposedly, when a postal inspector went to the residence to inquire he was rebuffed. The people who received the watch illicitly (Ebay user disc0000) will not surrender the watch. Vitaliy has offered to refund the repair price and the $50 nominal insurance (if he receives it), and nothing more. The watch was a special gift, with a value of about $1000. Does anyone have any input as to what recourse I may have?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:40 pm Reply with quote
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Fly to SF and sue the watchmaker (preferably before he burns up)!

File an nawcc ethics complaint (if he is a member).

Tell everyone about this BS case--maybe he is in cahoots with the guy who rec it.

Or, you know anyone "connected" have them pay to receiver a visit!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:37 am Reply with quote
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Jon wrote:


Or, you know anyone "connected" have them pay to receiver a visit!


This.

Or...and I am sure you have done this...send all of the postal paper trail and the photos of the watch to the FBI and to local police in the receiver's home town. This seems like a crime. If you choose this way, instead of Jon's, connected guy way, do not send anything to the receiving party or threaten them. See is the lawmen will handle it first.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:52 am Reply with quote
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Yes, I have filed a Mail Fraud Theft report with USPS, and a crime report with the local police in Port St. Lucie Florida. Also Ebay, but I'm not expecting much from them. Still working on this. It looks like Ebay screws the buyer in this situation. Not only do they claim innocence for themselves and the seller, but they will even remove any negative feedback I leave for the seller, or so I'm told.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:55 am Reply with quote
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Do you have a name for the guy in FL?

And how confident are you that he was a strawman?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:59 am Reply with quote
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Actually, I have the name and address of the individual who signed for the watch along with a photocopy of the USPS delivery ticket they signed. I suspect the package was switched and redirected from the San Francisco post office and diverted to Florida.
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who said threaten????????
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Notice the Fla police of a theft! (you have the name & address)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:43 am Reply with quote
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Dan, how are you sure that the watchmaker REALLY intended to ship to you?

This sounds very questionable

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:00 am Reply with quote
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Bryan: The watchmaker is certainly suspect too. He has flawless Ebay feedback, but that does not mean he's not a crook. His command of the English language is just poor enough to make it tough to follow his train of thought. It would certainly be easy for him to misdirect the package if he wnted to.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:18 am Reply with quote
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One for the bunko squad--cross the 2 names/addresses to see if there have been other complaints/similar occurrences re these two people.

Still, I say this all begins with the watchmaker mailing the package uninsured or registered.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:38 am Reply with quote
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Jon: You are quite right. Inexcusable to mail without proper insurance and tracking. To my way of thinking that puts the onus on the watchmaker. He is not willing to own up so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:31 pm Reply with quote
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Unless you waived insurance, the onus is completely on him.

Did you transact this through ebay??

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:40 pm Reply with quote
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Bryan: The transaction was through Ebay and I did not waive insurance. Is running this through Ebay a good or bad idea? I certainly won't do it again.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:03 pm Reply with quote
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Here is one occasion when Paypal would have helped.

They are always on the buyers side.

Ebay can be a bit that way as well.

They have the big stick. Do it our way or you are out.

Many sellers will have experienced this I suspect.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:45 pm Reply with quote
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Dan -

Why would you even send a watch to someone in Cal to be repaired when you can find someone not far from you in VA?

its too late now but I would have recommended a very good watchmaker to you in Staunton, VA.

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